Pro-Life Flag Flies Outside Waltham, MA’s City Hall

The Pro-Life flag flying on public property outside the Waltham, MA thanks to the Massachusetts based Pro-Life Legal Defense Fund (PLLDF) and our 9-0 U.S. Supreme Court win “Shurtleff v Boston.”  http://lc.org/flag

This is from Attorney Bob Joyce of the Pro-Life Legal Defense Fund:

From March 11th to March 12th, PLLDF’s newly created pro-life, pro-family flag flew fully and proudly on the Main Street flagpole outside the Waltham, MA City Hall. The combination of good weather and favorable wind velocity enabled the image and words (PRO-LIFE, PRO-MOTHER, PRO-FATHER, and PRO-CHILD) to stand out clearly in plain view.

See the two images which illustrate how this double-sided nylon flag flew so that it could be read from both sides. Also, see the attached computer image of the flag.
PLLDF is pleased to publicly proclaim this pro-life, pro-family message which includes women, men, and children.
Our flag is available for flagpoles throughout Massachusetts (for cities/towns, churches, schools, Knights of Columbus councils, or elsewhere).  (Ed note:  They can be used in towns and cities across the U.S. as well)
Contact PLLDF at https://www.plldf.org/ or at (617) 970-0928 if your organization would like to borrow one of our flags or if you’d like information about how to purchase one.

 

 

 

The Weekly Sam: Hysteria on the Left

The following was a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe in the wake of a vicious article that smeared a group of Patriots that attended an event that took place in Burlington in November of 1994.  The smear piece was written by Chip Berlet, a far-leftist who worked for Political Research Associates.  I was on hand at this meeting and addressed the group.  After this article was published, a number of us wrote letters to the editor to the Boston Globe but none were published.  Berlet tried to make the case that our “rhetoric” was responsible for the actions of John Salvi-a man who shot up two abortion mills. The Left is still at it.

Chip Berlet’s op-ed piece, “Armed and dangerous,” which appeared in the Globe
on January 6, is not only incredibly inept journalism but reminiscent of the kind of
unfounded “guilt by association” charges attributed to the late Senator Joseph
McCarthy.

Nothing that the deranged John Salvi has done, said or written indicates that he
was influenced by any of the well-known organizations mentioned by Berlet, such as
The John Birch Society, Concerned Women for America, or the National Right to Life
Committee. In fact, Salvi ‘s rambling letter, published in the Globe on January 6,
reveals a deplorable ignorance of the aims and precepts of these well established
organizations. I defy Mr Berlet to find one word in the publications of these
organizations that in any way encourages or condones the actions of those who would
kill the providers of abortion. Salvi has only added to the tragedy of abortion, not
alleviated it.

As for the meeting held at Burlington High School last November, I was invited to
speak on the subject of education, which I did. I was not told in advance that one of
the exhibitors would be Den’s Gun Shop. But considering the fact that the right to own
and bear arms, protected by the Second Amendment, has been under unrelenting
attack by the liberals, I could understand the rationale of having a gun shop exhibit at
the meeting. But to suggest by the craftiest of innuendos that people browsing at the
gun shop table while pro-life leader Dr. Mildred Jefferson was speaking in another
room indicates that she or the browsers or the exhibitor caused or condoned what
John Salvi did is just about the sleaziest and most reprehensible piece of writing I
have yet read by the promoters of hysteria on the left.

People on both the left and the right have had to deal with those deranged
individuals who feel compelled to perpetrate acts of terror and horror. One does not
blame liberal black leadership for the actions of the black man who shot up the
passengers in the Long Island commuter train. We all understand that there is no way
to control solo individuals bent on committing mayhem.

But the concern of those of us on the right is the government’s potential for
committing mayhem. Even Chip Berlet admitted to me that he deplored the way the
U.S. government handled the Waco atrocity. And it is that atrocity, not abortion, that
has galvanized gun owners into such defensive responses as the militia movement
But perhaps the worst of Berlet’s accusations is where he says that “There is a
growing right-wing social movement that uses theological arguments to encourage
direct confrontation of its targets and tolerates discussion of armed resistance.”
I have been involved in the so-called right-wing movement since 1965 and not once
have I heard of such theological arguments. In fact, I’ve heard just the opposite. Dr. R.
J. Rushdoony, leader of the Christian Reconstruction movement, has strongly
denounced demonstrations at abortion clinics let alone the murder of abortion
providers. He believes, as most Christians do, that only the moral regeneration of the
American people will put an end to legalized abortion.

For Berlet to needlessly alarm the readers of the Globe into believing that
conservative organizations have entered a new, sinister phase of armed confrontation
with the left is not only to grossly misinform this newspaper’s readers but to libel those
of us on the right who have spent the last 25 years writing, lecturing and educating
Americans about the vital issues our society faces.

I also question the judgment of the editor who decided to use such an obviously
provocative illustration and title for a smear article that strongly suggests that we on the
right are moving toward Salvi-type terrorism . I know that the Globe is a staunchly
liberal newspaper, but I never thought it would stoop to such unadulterated, Nazi-like
propaganda. Back in 1938, a young Jew assassinated the German ambassador in
Paris. The Nazi propaganda machine blamed the Jews of Germany for the act of one
deranged youth . The result was Kristallnacht during which Jewish synagogues and
stores were burned and destroyed throughout Germany. The irony is that Chip Berlet,
who thinks he’s defending liberalism, is unaware of how much like Goebbels he has
become. Tragically, those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
Samuel L. Blumenfeld
January 6, 1995

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Camp Constitution is sponsoring a speaking tour for author and documentary producer Vince Ellison

Camp Constitution Speaker’s Bureau is pleased to announce that it will sponsor a speaking tour of Vince Elison in the Greater Boston and Lakes Region of New Hampshire.   On Friday May 3–7:00 PM, Vince will be speaking at One Cranberry Hill in Lexington, MA and on Saturday May4–7:00 PM at the Alton Senior Center 7 Pierson Rd. Alton, NH    We are still waiting for confirmations for a Thursday evening May 2 and Saturday morning May 3.  Admission is free.  Donations are accepted.  RSVPs are suggested since seating is limited.

Vince is the author of The Iron Triangle: Inside the Liberal Democrat Plan to Use Race to Divide Christians and America in Their Quest for Power and How We Can Defeat Them, 25 Lies, and Crime, INC. He has appeared numerous times on Hannity, The Laura Ingraham Show, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson, OAN, The Joe Pags Show, The Brian Kilmeade Show, and on many other radio and television programs.

Vince recently started a show which airs on YouTube.  Please view, share and subscribe to his channel.

 

Camp Constitution Loses a friend and Mentor with the passing of John McManus

I recently received the news that John McManus passed away at the age of 89.  Mr. McManus, known as Jack to many of us, was a long-time friend, former colleague, and mentor as well as an instructor at Camp Constitution.

I first met Jack at his John Birch Society office in Belmont, MA back in 1988.  I walked into his impressive book lined office with my oldest daughter Rachel in my arms.  He looked at Rachel and then gave me a stern look and said, “Some world we are leaving her.”  Jack and I spent many hours driving around the highways and byways of New England where he would give speeches on a number of topics-a number of them aired on C-SPAN.  In the late 1990s, I helped to host John at the Nashua, NH Library.  We had a full house.  During his presentation, he started to cough.  I got him some water and walked to the podium as discreetly as possible to leave of the water.  He looked at me and said “Is this water?”  “Yes,” I said  “I am Irish”, he replied.  “I know that is why I brought you water” was by comeback.  It got a good laugh from the attendees and many thought that we rehearsed the exchange.  As an “old school” speaker, he would always start a lecture or presentation with a few jokes, and the video linked below is no exception.

He gave a lecture at out 1st annual family camp in July of 2010 and would attend many more over the next twelve years.  His last camp was in 2021.  A link to his class at our 2021 camp:

 

He will be missed but his rich legacy of liberty will live on and influence millions of people.

His obituary:

John F. “Jack” McManus, age 89, of Reading, formerly a longtime resident of Wakefield, died Monday, March 4 after a period of failing health.

His Funeral Mass will be celebrated in St. Adelaide Parish, 708 Lowell St., Peabody on Monday, March 11 at 10:30 AM. Visitation for relatives and friends will be held at the McDonald Funeral Home, 19 Yale Ave., Wakefield on Sunday March 10 from 1-4 PM. 
Born in Brooklyn, NY on January 24, 1935 he was the son of the late V. Paul and Dorothea Frances (Devenport) McManus.

Jack was raised and educated in Brooklyn, New York, and graduated from Brooklyn Prep, where he played varsity basketball.  He went on to further his education at The College of the Holy Cross, receiving a bachelor’s degree in physics. He was a member of the Naval ROTC program while at Holy Cross, and upon graduating was commissioned into the United States Marine Corps.  He proudly served his country as a Marine for three years. Upon concluding his military time, he went to work as an electronics engineer before taking on a position at The John Birch Society, where he would spend the remainder of his working years. Jack wore many hats at the John Birch Society from 1966 to the present day. He considered himself a teacher, and was a prolific writer and speaker for the Birch Society, though his most recent titles were President from 1991-2015 and President Emeritus from 2015 on. He was an avid Boston sports fan and dabbled in golf. Throughout his life he loved to swim in the ocean and especially relished such opportunity in his later years.  He also enjoyed crossword puzzles, books, and history, as well as spending time with his children and grandchildren by the pool.

He was the beloved husband of the late Mary O’Reilly McManus, with whom he shared 65 wonderful years of marriage. John is survived by his devoted and loving son Paul McManus and his wife Margaret of Holden, Massachusetts, loving and devoted daughters Margaret (Peggy) Strauss and her husband Glenn of Wakefield, Massachusetts and Mary Anne Power and her husband Jeffrey from Wakefield, Massachusetts.  Also son John and his wife Linda of Wakefield, Massachusetts. He was the brother of Mary Jane Strackbein and her husband William of Vienna, Virginia and the late Thomas E. and Paul D. McManus; and the loving grandfather to seven grandchildren.

His Funeral Mass will be celebrated in St. Adelaide Parish, 708 Lowell St., Peabody on Monday, March 11 at 10:30 AM. Visitation for relatives and friends will be held at the McDonald Funeral Home, 19 Yale Ave., Wakefield on Sunday March 10 from 1-4 PM.

 

The Weekly Sam: Argentina and Paper Money By Samuel L. Blumenfeld

What the people of Argentina are going through is possible in any country that uses paper “money” as the basis of its economic activity. Today’s paper money has no backing and therefore is only worth what the government or central bank says it is worth. We call that kind of paper money “Legal Tender.” In other words, the government invests its faith and credit in the value stated on the paper note. Money is supposed to be a medium of exchange and a storage of wealth and we accept paper money because the government backs its stated value. But such a system can only work if the people have trust and confidence in their government and their government behaves responsibly. If we go back to the early days of economic activity, we fmd that barter was the earliest form of exchange. A person could exchange a cow for sausages. In other words, one gave value for value.

The medium of exchange was awkward and cumbersome, and the two individuals involved had to make value judgments about what they were getting for their commodity. But then it was found that gold would be accepted by many sellers in lieu of a perishable commodity as a medium of exchange, because of its scarcity and convenience. Gold also became an excellent storage for wealth. You could hold gold without its spoiling for as long as you wanted, and people would gladly exchange commodities for it. But then, as civilization ‘progressed, keeping gold became inconvenient. It could also be easily stolen. So people began putting their gold for safekeeping in banks, and the banks issued gold certificates or banknotes.

The banknotes were worth their weight in gold. But then the banks used the gold deposits as security for high-interest loans, which they made by issuing banknotes. But when the loans were not repaid, and the owners of gold cashed in their banknotes, the bank became insolvent, and their notes were no longer honored. This was the case in early America, where the Farmer’s Almanack up to 1863 actually listed “Worthless and Uncurrent Bank Notes in New England.” Thirteen banks in Boston alone were listed as having worthless bank notes. None of today’s currencies have any backing at all except the faith and credit of the government behind it. In Argentina, the faith and credit of the government no longer exists. And so its citizens hold paper money that has already lost half its value by government devaluation.

The Argentine peso cannot be said to be a storage of wealth. Only those individuals who were smart enough to buy gold or U.S. dollars will come out ahead of the game, because they didn’t trust their government to maintain the value of Argentine currency. So, what is money today? The money that becomes figures in a computer must still be earned the old-fashioned way, by working for it, or earning it through prudent investment. That is, for most people. The expansion of government has made it possible to pay the needy in welfare checks and food stamps. It is still possible to use gold as a storage of wealth. As long as paper money is susceptible to inflation, the dollar will continue to decrease in value. Thus, we have experienced exactly what the Argentines have experienced but over a much longer period of time.

Those people in Argentina who owned gold came out ahead of everyone else, because the price of gold is set on the world market in London, and it is now worth as much as holders of the Argentine peso have to pay for it. Also, those who owned valuable real estate did well. Once you understand the vulnerabilities of paper money, you have to invest your money and store it in ways that will maintain and hopefully increase its value. Putting it in the bank at today’s low interest will not increase its value. The stock market is still the best way to grow wealth. But you must buy stock in companies that you know will grow and prosper. Real estate is one of the best ways to store wealth, particularly in areas of increasing value. It makes sense to take advantage of today’s low mortgage rates to buy a house. Antiques and valuable works of art also make good investments. As for gold, it is a commodity. Its price is subject to periodic fluctuations caused by political and economic crises. There is no way of knowing for sure what the price of gold will be tomorrow. In other words, those who bought gold when it was $800 an ounce lost half its value as it declined to $350. It all depends at what price you buy it and at what price you sell it.

In short, our greatest security is not in paper money but in the ability to create an income for ourselves. In order to do that we must be able to create and provide value for others. America is blessed with a huge number of individual entrepreneurs and inventors who keep making things better and better. The genius of capitalism is that it can take a cartoon character of a mouse and create  a billion-dollar entertainment conglomerate. It can take a simple hamburger and tum it into a worldwide fast-food phenomenon. And it can take a simple carbonated drink and make it universally recognized as the symbol of a nation.

The Bible tells us that the love of money is the root of all evil. But money now is not a shiny pile of gold, but figures in a computer. Our goal should be to use the gifts God has given us to create value through our efforts, our intelligence, our genius. That is the only way to make our economic pursuits pleasing in God’s eyes.  So it is the behavior of government that determines the value of our currency. In the U.S. money is issued by the Federal Reserve Bank, a private institution that determines interest rates for the nation’s banks.

Gold is still a better storage of wealth than paper dollars, which are subject to inflation. Ancient Rome suffered from inflation when the emperor added other metals to the gold coins, thus decreasing the value of the coin. In America, where we used to have silver coins, we now have metallic coins that we use like paper money. You can buy a silver dollar from a coin dealer for much more than our present dollar. As our modern capitalist economy grew, the need for investment cash grew with it. Thus, gold had become an impediment to economic development. By liberating paper from gold and calling it legal tender, man had invented the greatest fuel for economic development in history. But paper money, like nuclear power, has its risks and is totally dependent on responsible government for its value.

Legal tender was invented to stimulate commercial enterprise. But politicians have used it to redistribute the wealth, throwing billions at such projects as the War on Poverty. And the only reason why the United States has not gone the way of Argentina is because we have a citizenry willing to pay the taxes to support such wasteful spending. Wherever you have paper money without any gold or silver backing, you can get runaway inflation. Germany in the 1920s is an example of paper money becoming worthless overnight. In the United States we’ve had slow inflation that is almost unnoticeable. However, those of us old enough to remember when a hotdog cost 5 cents can see the effects of inflation in the same hotdog costing $1.95 at the mall food court. Of course, technological advance has cheapened lots of goods and services not because of any government monetary policy, but because technology has lowered the cost of production. For example, despite inflation, long distance calls today are much cheaper than they were in the 1930s. And the price of chickens, once considered a luxury, has significantly declined. Competition and technology account for this favorable development. What keeps the American economy viable as opposed to Argentina is that in America we have a huge number of individual entrepreneurs and inventors who keep making things better and better. Unfortunately, nothing comes out of Argentina except beef and Tangos.

 

Let the Pastors Speak by Maria Pia Perez

In celebration of Presidents Day, I’d like to share selected stories about our founding leaders and their pastors.

New England’s pulpits essentially paved the road to American freedom. Sermons from the colonial era helped to shape America’s understanding that resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

 

Thus, the New England clergy helped lay the intellectual and theological foundation for liberty.

Liberty Thundered from the colonial pulpits, mainly in New England, ignited the war for independence (Kennedy, 1994 ).

One example is the work of reverend Jonas Clark. He was the minister of the church in Lexington. From 1762 to 1776, he was the most influential politician and a churchman in the Lexington Concord area. His home was a meeting place for many important patriots; on the night of Paul Revere’s ride, Clark entertained John Hancock and Samuel Adams. When asked if the men of Lexington would fight, he replied that he had trained them for that very hour (Kennedy, 1994).

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History is replete with evidence of how pastors influenced our first founding leaders. I want to share how the pastors guided and influenced the founding of our nation, pastors like Jonathan Mayhew, who asserted that “rebellion against tyranny is obedience to God.” In the 1700s, Jonathan Mayhew was the most prominent dissenter against the Church of England in Massachusetts. His powerful sermons put forth radical ideas against the crown. Mayhew’s words are not just spiritual wanderings but outright treason.

Rev. Jonathan Mayhew

One of his more prominent speeches became known as the “morning gun of the revolution,” fueling rebellion against the King in England. John Adams was so inspired by Mayhew’s sermons that even in his old age, he would give copies of the speech to friends as a gift. Adams would praise people of faith, stating, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people; it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” He said, “The revolution was affected before the war commenced; it was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations.”

 

Another preacher who was used mightily by God was the reverend George Whitefield. Whitefield arrived in Philadelphia as part of an extended evangelical journey through the colonies. Benjamin Franklin was curious to learn about Whitefield, so he investigated whether Whitefield might be a charlatan. Uninterested in hearing Whitefield speak to small local congregations, Benjamin Franklin decided to hear him when he spoke in a large open-air meeting, which captivated Franklin’s attention. He was intrigued that the preacher was doing good work, like opening a large orphanage outside Savannah, Georgia. Franklin is taken in by the sincere message of faith and is so moved by the preacher’s message that he secures an arrangement to print Whitefield’s sermons. The two developed a deep civil friendship in Franklin’s words, and Whitefield became a frequent visitor to the Franklin household. Whitefield traveled to America seven times; his message of self-determination in religion and civil affairs would resonate throughout the colonies, inspiring rebellion against England.

Rev. George Whitifield

An additional renowned pastor influential to our nation’s founders was the reverend Samuel Davies. Patrick Henry, one of the most influential fathers of our country, said of reverend Samuel Davies that “he was the greatest orator I have ever heard.” (O’Reilly & Dugard, 2023 )

The Presbyterian minister John Witherspoon had an unparalleled record as a leader and educator for over 25 years. He taught a large group of the founding fathers, and “his graduates included the president of the United States James Madison; Vice president, Aaron Burr; 10 cabinet members; Six members of the Continental Congress; 39 US Representatives: 21 US Senators; 12 Governor’s; 56 State Legislator’s; 30 judges; 3 US Supreme Court justices; 6 members of the Constitutional Convention; and 13 college presidents.” The Reverend John Witherspoon was a signer of the Declaration and a signer of the Articles of Confederation. Witherspoon was the quintessential founding father most people have never heard of. He was best described as the man who shaped the men who shaped America (Kennedy, 1994 ).

How about the Reverend William Rogers, who had a special time of daily prayer for the constitutional convention proceedings throughout the convention.

 

As Thomas Jefferson said at the time of the founding, “when governments fear the people, there is liberty. when the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Montesquieu believed that all law has its source in God. In his primary text, The Spirit of the Laws, he recognized the value of Christianity in fostering good laws and good government.

In the Old Testament, prophets such as Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, and Elisha were counselors to the kings. In America, the people are the king, and the pastors are the counselors to the king sitting in their pews. The church is the conscious of the state (Federer, 2017).

In 1820, Daniel Webster, in speaking against the African slave trader, gave a rebuke in which he stated and invoked “the ministers of our religion, that they proclaim its denunciation of these crimes, and add its solemn sanctions to the authority of human laws. ” He stated, “If the pulpit be silent whenever or wherever there may be a sinner bloody with this guilt within the hearing of its voice, the pulpit is false to its trust” (Federer, 2017).

Works Cited

Federer, W. J. (2017). Who is the King in America: And who are the counselors to the king? Fort Myers : Amerisearch Inc. .

Kennedy, D. J. (1994 ). What If Jeusus Had Never Been Born? Nashville : Thomas Nelson Inc. .

O’Reilly, B., & Dugard, M. (2023 ). Killing the Witches: The horror of salem, Massachusetts . New York : St. Martin’s Press .

Powell, S. S. (2022). Rediscovering America: How the national holidays tell an amazing story about who we are . New York: Post Hill Press .

The Weekly Sam: Portrait of a Young Hero-The Paul V Healey Story

Back in 1968, Sam interviewed Paul V Healey. a young soldier from Holbrook, MA who did one of the most heroic feats of courage in the Vietnam War.  It is too lengthy to publish as a blog, so we have a link to a PDF version from Sam’s archive:

http://blumenfeld.campconstitution.net/Manuscripts/Portrait%20of%20A%20Young%20Hero-The%20Paul%20V.%20Healey%20Jr%20Story.pdf

 

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“Did the Ku Klux Klan loan Margaret Sanger a robe?

Question to ponder in regard to Planned Parenthood: Did the Ku Klux Klan loan Margaret Sanger a robe and hood or did she bring her own?

In her autobiography, Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger, wrote about a speech that she gave at a Ku Klux Klan meeting in Silver Lake, New Jersey.
After her speech ended, she was offered many invitations to speak at other Klan events. To this very day Planned Parenthood still honors this evil woman and gives out
its highest national award called “The Margaret Sanger Award”.
Today, Planned Parenthood does not use ropes and trees, but rather murder unborn black children in abortion clinics using wicked doctors wearing white lab coats and suction machines!
In the book by Hal Shurtleff, entitled “The Racist Roots of Planned Parenthood and its Legacy of Death” we learn of the deep rooted, far-reaching plan to exterminate people of color  from God’s beautiful Creation!
Killing a child in the womb is a violation of God’s 6th Commandment: “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13). The breaking of God’s Law is serious. God says that murderers, thieves,
liars, and all sinners will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire(Revelation 21:8)
God says ” This day I call Heaven and Earth as witness against you that I have set before you Life and Death, Blessings and Curses. Now Choose Life, so that your children may live
and that you may love the Lord your God”.
Therefore, as Chaplain of Camp Constitution, and as a Spirit-Filled Minister, who happens to be Black, by God’s design, I strongly encourage you to read and ponder the work of
Hal Shurtleff, Executive Director of Camp Constitution, and work to abolish this evil of abortion now!
In Christ,
Reverend Steven Louis Craft, M.Div

WILLIAM WILBERFORCE – MISSIONARY TO PARLIAMENT

Last Week, Wolf PAC’s Cenk Uygur and His “Conservative” Allies Handed Defeat in NH and this week they were handed a defeat in Maine

The odious Cenk Uygur, founder of Wolf  PAC, and his “conservative” allies at Convention of States and Term Limits USA were handed a defeat last week in New Hampshire when the New Hampshire House tabled HCR 8-a resolution calling for an application for an Article V Convention by a 247-99 vote, and today February 20,  Maine’s Senate voted 12-18 against  the Motion to Accept Majority Ought to pass report on SP 705 which was a joint collaboration between Wolf PAC and Term Limits USA, and its lobbyist Ken Quinn.

The well-funded pro-Article V Convention lobbyists have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in both states over the past ten years to no avail.  It appears that the more money they spend, the fewer votes they get.  This is due to the hard work of local activists who take the time to educate their elected officials on this issue.  However, we cannot rest on our laurels.  We need to rescind all extant applications in both states.  Thanks to all of those who helped make these victories for the U.S. Constitution possible.

Thanks to a friend in Maine who contacted me last night to let me know that lobbyist Ken Quinn was on a popular Maine radio show promoting an Article Convention, I immediately E-mailed the station and asked for some equal time. Within a few minutes Mr. Ric Tyler co-host of the George Hale-Ric Tyler Show on WVOM FM invited me to call in at 6:06 AM.  Here is a link to the interview:

(A link to an audio version of the interview:  https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/shurtleffhal/episodes/2024-02-20T11_13_07-08_00